Dateline Transcript:Reply: My reactions to statements like these are: "Who talks like this?!"
Ms. E. GARZA: So I called my elders and I said, `Look, I'm taking it to the
police.'LARSON: What did they say?
Ms. E. GARZA: `Don't. Or else.'
LARSON: Or else what?
Ms. E. GARZA: That's what I said. I said, `Or else what?' And he said, `Just
don't.' I said, `What? I'll be disfellowshipped if I take it to the police?
Is that what's going to happen to me?' And he said, `Yes. You will be
disfellowshipped.' And I was just, like, `What? You're going to disfellowship
me for being raped, yet the guy who raped me is still a Jehovah's Witness?'
And they said, `Don't. Don't take it to the police. You will be condemned by
God.'"
"In addition to making a report to the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, we expect the elders to comply. Additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so. In the United States, reporting requirements vary from state to state. It can be quite a challenge to keep abreast of the reporting requirements, but our Legal Department makes every effort to do so."Nothing is holding anyone from reporting crimes to the authorities, except their own misapplied fears.
http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bbc020509.pdf
Dateline also made it a point, that one accuser was reinstated and in field service. However he is doing 11 years jail time. The basis of his imprisonment was that he admitted in court that he molested the girl, however, he claimed he only touched her inappropriately and didn't have sex with her. He got a much longer sentence for this type of crime than is usual, a sentence that, from what I am told, would not have been posssible had it not been for his initial confession to the elders. Once you shake the bottle up to see what is really inside, things are not as clear as hoped.
Anti-JW websites have been having a field-day with this, yet their reasoning
in this matter is contradictory. They have often attacked us in the past
for "shunning" certain members. This Biblically required mandate is called
excommunication or disfellowshipping (click
here for more.)
Now they are upset because JW's did NOT shun THESE members with sexual
problems.
Sites like the Freeminds and the Watchtower Observer defend Ex-JW's
who are gay, and Jehovah's Witnesses are painted as homophobic. In fact,
the Observer compares JW's to Dr. Laura.
When I heard the term "pedophile paradise", I realized that I had heard
this term before, it was from apostate Kent Steinhaug (caution: Extreme
Language Warning)
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To: <heinzschmitz@canoemail.com>,<postmaster@...>,<postmaster@...>[As you can see, a dog really does return to his own vomit, Prov 26:11; 2 Peter 2:22]
Subject: Hi there, moron!
From: "Kent Steinhaug" <kent@observer.org>
Date: Thu, Nov 15 2001 1:15:36 AM +0100
Cc: "Watchtower-Observer" <watchtower-observer@observer.org>
Also, I'm sure you enjoy the fact that all the assholes inside the pedophile paradise is being exposed. I'm convinced you feel that's an awful attach on your "christian" way of life as well - being an asshole who protects child molesters and pedophiles - supports these bastards to go around knocking doors - finding more victims to abuse!
Also, I'm sure you are happy to know the AidAfrique is my next target to expose. They cooperate, as you know, with womens Liberation, Governments, UN, Military - you name it. And, don't let us forget the JW running for president in Africa!
You really should publish this mail as well, and I guess you will do as you use to. Edit my mail to look different than I wrote it.
But I'm sure you will leave this sentence un-edited:
You're still a pathetic moron!
Still laughing my ass off!
Kent
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Subject: RE: Hi there, moron!
From: "Frank" <wft7@home.com>
Date: Wed, Nov 14 2001 7:44:51 PM -0500
Cc: "Watchtower-Observer" <watchtower-observer@observer.org>
Who is this moron, Kent? He sounds like he’s a cut below the average JW ignorant ass-hole. Seems like the JWs are coming in two flavors now. The militarist, “My God is better than your God,” child-fondling cretin whose attachment to the Borg is so thin they don’t mind breaking with them and actually having actual social intercourse with apostates. There’s one type. Then there’s the other flavor. And this is the meeting-going, suit wearing, watchtower-reading, song-singing, “My God is better than your god,” dip-shit who is barely self-aware and hasn’t the sense to pour piss out of a shoe: the typical boot-licking, anti-thinking, mote-loving, scripture out of context quoting, Jehovah’s Witness pig-dog. I thing Heinz 57 is one of the former. But is there more to this story?
Francois
If, as Bowen claims, the JW's are a "pedophile paradise*" then any group
that protects and defends Gays must also be seen as such.
[*Pedophile Paradise*:This kind of language is quite common amongst
those with an agenda:
See http://kosnoff.com/construction/ and http://www.skeptictank.org/utahpedo.htm
which both refer to Salt Lake City (Mormons) as "Pedophile Heaven." There
are no more pedophiles amongst Mormons than there are any other segment
of the population. Anti-Roman tirades would describe it as a "pornographers
paradise." (Marcus, The Other Victorians, pp. 62-63)
The term "Silencing of the Lambs" was also used of Catholics (Pedophiles
and Priests, p. 56)by those hostile to these groups. This type of language
is sensational and tends to stigmatize certain groups, often beyond repair.]
The Observer, and Freeminds are both pro-Gay, and yet, it is from this
demographic that child-abuse rates are highest.
Kevin Bishop, from North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA)
says “Scratch the average homosexual and you will find a pedophile,”
said Bishop in an interview with the Electronic Mail & Guardian ( June
30, 1997)
The Gay Report,published by homosexual researchers Jay and Young in
1979, revealed that 73 percent of homosexuals surveyed had at some time
had sex with boys 16 to 19 years of age or younger. [K. Jay and A. Young,
The Gay Report (New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275.]
Although homosexuals account for less than two percent of the population,
they constitute about a third of child molesters. [K. Freund and R.I. Watson,
"The Proportions of Heterosexual and Homosexual Pedophiles Among Sex Offenders
Against Children: An Exploratory Study," Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy
18 (Spring 1992): 3443, cited in "The Problem of Pedophilia," op. cit.
Also, K. Freund and R.I. Watson, "Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,"
Journal of Sex and Marital Therapy 10 (Fall 1984): 197, cited in NARTH
(National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality) Fact Sheet.]
Further, as noted by the Encino, Calif.-based National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH),
“since homosexual pedophiles victimize far more children than do heterosexual pedophiles, it is estimated that approximately 80 percent of pedophilic victims are boys who have been molested by adult males.”Judith A. Reisman, Ph.D., and Charles B. Johnson, Ph.D., conducted a content study of the personal ads in the Advocate, the “national gay and lesbian newsmagazine,” and discovered that “chickens,” a common term for underage boys sought for sex, were widely solicited. Many of the advertisements in the magazine solicited boys and teens from within a larger pool of prostitution ads, which constituted 63 percent of all personal ads.32 The authors also note a statement from a book review by homosexual activist Larry Kramer that the work,
[Thomas Schmidt, Straight and Narrow? Compassion and Clarity in the Homosexuality Debate
(Downers Grove, Ill.: Intervarsity Press), p. 114, cited in "The Problem of Pedohilia]
“like much canonized male homosexual literature, involves sexually predatory white men on the prowl for dark-skinned boys to gratify them.”[Judith A. Reisman, Ph.D., "A Content Analysis of ‘The Advocate,’" unpublished manuscript p. 18, quoted in "Pedophilia: The Part of Homosexuality They Don’t Want You to See,"
"The homosexual rights movement has tried to distance itself from pedophilia, but only for public relations purposes. In fact, homosexual activists around the world are working aggressively to lower the age of sexual consent for children and to normalize sex with children. They are accomplishing their goal through legislation, psychiatry, the courts, academia, and the entertainment industry." Homosexual Behavior and Pedophilia by Frank V York and Robert H.KnightA homosexual activist writing under the name of Michael Swift, quoted by Frank York and Charles and Donna McIlhenny in When the Wicked Seize a City (Lafayette, Louisiana: Huntington House Publishers, 1993), pp. 212-213, stated:
"We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. … Your sons shall become our minions to do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us."Need I say more?
"It’s not hard to speculate why the media have been squeamish. The church is steadfast in its doctrine of sexuality, so there is nothing like a whiff of hypocrisy to make the media wolves ravenous. But reporting negatively about homosexuality sours the stomach, because in the elite media, homosexuals are a protected class. After all, it wasn’t that long ago that these same outlets were scorching the Boy Scouts for their firm resolve against hiring homosexuals as Scout leaders." http://www.family.org/cforum/citizenmag/departments/a0021237.htmlIf JW's or Catholics relaxed their policies against homosexuals, this will be applauded by the media, and certain other agendaized groups. If these same homosexuals start preying on the children, it will be reported as a serious problem for that respective church. A Catch-22 really.
Bill Bowen, owner of Silent Lambs, when asked in an email message by
me if he would also include other faiths (see http://hector3000.future.easyspace.com/pedo.htm)
on his website, especially as the numbers of abuse therein are higher,
he declined. He was only interested in providing "an outreach to victims
of child molestation and abuse within the Jehovah's Witness community."
Yet his statements of a "pedophile paradise" belie his claims of being
"fair to JW's" and reveals a devious agenda that is promoted and praised
by the very ones whose words are filled with the profanity and hatred in
the letters above. It is comparable to the anti-Semitism described in Jenkin's
book on Pedophilia:
"If a newspaper accurately describes the dishonest or criminal activitiy
of an individual who is Jewish, that would not of itself be anti-Semitic.
It would however be grossly anti-semitic if the paper repeatedly described
the criminal activities of Jews without noting the similar role of other
ethnic groups, and further proposed that this form of criminality was peculiarly
characteristic of Jews or arose from features of the Jewish religion or
ethnicity."
Pedophiles and Priests, p. 13, Philip Jenkins (Oxford University Press)
It is hate, it is discrimination, pure and simple, by those who seek
to profit off the allegations of others.
Email:
Sunshineconcern-Because states vary on whom they require to report
allegations of child molestation does not mean they vary on whether people
can always encourage victims to report for themselves. This is the point
you stubbornly refuse to even discuss, let alone reason on it logically
or even answer the simple questions I have asked you throughout our conversation
relevant to the issue. Your reaction is more like those who want to dodge
a point rather than objectively analyze a real concern. This is not how
Jesus reacted to the cries of victims.
Reply: Ma'am, I ain't Jesus. At least I did not have to stoop to lying
as you have (let's face it, you are not really a JW [as you have claimed]).
The point of my webpages on this topic is to show that people like you
are discriminatory in your handling of the facts.
If someone, like Bill Bowen for instance, creates a web site or prints
newsletters decrying the criminal activities of one or a few JW's, that
is not discriminatory. If however he only reports these activities only
as they pertain to JW's as a whole, and repeatedly so, without noting similar
activities of other groups, religious or otherwise, that is hate literature.
It is anti-JW, and smacks of the tactics used by Hitler in order to perpetuate
the already deep-seated hatred people have for Jehovah's Witnesses. It
is highly inflammatory to describes JW's as a "pedophile paradise" when
similar activities by others groups actually dwarf those of JW's. Pedophiles
are predators and you will find them wherever there is access to children.
That cases were handled badly is the same accusation across the board everywhere.
The fact remains that no one chopped of the dialing fingers of the people
closest to the situation....the victims families, and those of the perpetrator.
If someone touched my child, nothing would prevent from going to the Police...NOTHING!!
Would I be disfellowshipped for doing so? Absolutely not! Even IF (and
that is a big IF) that were a threat, I still would go to the authorities.
It would be unconscionable NOT to.
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> It is inexcusable that we do not encourage all victims of serious
crime like child molestation to report it to the police, regardless of
what state they happened to be victimized in.
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I agree, but this problem is ecumenical, and not derivative of JW's.
All churches have failed in this regard, and it really has only been in
the last 20 years that all organizations, religious or secular, have better
educated themselves as to the issues involved.
It is not a JW problem, unless you want to see it that way. The problem
is entirely of your own making.
"If the world is not be represented as a jumble of of random and chaotic events, then they must be identified (i.e., named, identified related to other events known to the audience). This process-identification and contextualization-is one of the most important through which event are 'made to mean' by the media." Stuart Hall, Policing the Crisis [1978]The predatory nature of pedophiles will ensure their presence in areas where they will have access to children, areas where they can enjoy their trust, and what better arena than the religious one:
To do this, things are framed in a certain context. Frames are "cultural combinations and constructions that put selected phenomena into comprehensible and consumable focus" which means, for JW's and Catholics, that these frames are "highly selective...which emphasizes certain aspects of the cases to the exclusion of others and concentrates on these instances rather than others that could equally well have been chosen." Pedophiles and Priests, p. 6, Philip Jenkins
"Child Molesters are predators who will often use a church to find victims. Churches typically have a very trusting atmosphere regarding teachers and our children. In today's society with morals breaking down at an astronomical rate, we find this occuring more frequently than ever before. Your children could be in danger, even at church. The last thing you want to do is stay at home because of the potential problem, so we are attempting to offer a solution to churches to assist with this situation.This is sad, but hardly indigenous to ONE group.
Do not be fooled. Child molesters are some of the best actors in the world. This is HOW they obtain their victims and prevent being caught. They can pretend to be Christians and will even join evangelism training in order that other adults do not suspect their true motives." http://www.baptist-church.org/predator.html
Has Bill Bowen (of Silent Lambs) collaborated
with a Pornographer?
Written by a non-JW:
"Plot Thickens: SilentLambs Now Has Silent PartnerApproximately one month ago, it was discovered that William Bowen, president and founder of child advocacy group SilentLambs Inc., had entered into a partnership with a German citizen, who agreed to host and translate the group's website into the German language.
German supporters of SilentLambs were shocked at this news, since Bowen's German partner is a former Jehovah's Witness who is known to own pornographic websites, in addition to websites that publish anti-Watchtower material of questionable accuracy.
Conscientious supporters of SilentLambs were disillusioned by Bowen's weak response when this fact became public knowledge. Bowen's response did not seem to indicate surprise with his partner's business activities, nor did he seem overly concerned with having his child advocacy group linked with a known pornographer.
Bowen initially indicated that he planned to proceed with the partnership. However, Bowen now says that the German version of the SilentLambs website will not be hosted by the same ISP that hosts the two pornographic websites referenced above. It seems that Bowen hopes that it will be assumed from this switch in ISPs that he is no longer partners with the pornographer.
However, SilentLambs supporters strongly suspected that the move to a different ISP is nothing more than misdirection intended to deceive supporters, with the German pornographer continuing to provide financing, and working behind the scenes as a silent partner."