My Response to:

Author: Walter R. Martin
Taken from: http://www.webzonecom.com/ccn/cults/jw-005.txt

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
AND THE TRINITY

The doctrine of the Holy Trinity has been consistently
misunderstood, probably more than any other teaching of the
Bible. Frequently investigation into the doctrine of the Trinity
has been dismissed from serious discussion or study by invoking
the time-worn assertions - "It's a great mystery" or "This is
incomprehensible" - thus discouraging many from investigating the
scriptural basis of the doctrine.

Truth: Mr. Martin is one of those that has promoted this assertion in another
book about the Witnesses where he says, "The Trinity itself is a
mystery or a "holy secret". It is incomprehensible. It can never be fully understood."

Since the Watchtower denies that the Trinity doctrine is
Biblical; and since they complicate the issue by defining it
incorrectly - the task of true Christians is two fold: First, a
definition in accord with historic Christianity must be given.
Secondly, it must be shown that the doctrine of the Trinity is
both Biblical and essential to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

THE HOLY TRINITY

Definition: Within the unity of the One God there are three
Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit; and these three
share the same Nature and attributes. In effect, the three
Persons ARE the one God.

My Response: Well here is the Nicene Creed:
"I believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible: And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of his Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father; by whom all things were made; Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Ghost of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, he suffered and was buried; and the third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead whose kingdom shall have no end. And I believe in the Holy Ghost the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spake by the prophets. And I believe one catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen."
But that wasn't good enough, so they brought about the Athanasian Creed many years later:
" . . . we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate, and the Holy Ghost uncreate. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three eternals, but one eternal. As also there are not three incomprehensibles, nor three uncreated, but one uncreated, and one incomprehensible.
"So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. And yet there are not three almightys, but one almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet there are not three Gods, but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords, but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every person by himself to be God and Lord, so are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say there be three Gods and three Lords.
"The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is afore or after other; none is greater or less than another. But the whole three persons are coeternal together, and coequal. So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity. . . . "
I hope that clears everything up. I certainly wouldn't want to give an incorrect definition.

From this concise statement, similarly set forth in many
theological texts,2 it is clear that the Christian Church does
not believe that "there are three gods in One." Quite to the
contrary, we affirm that there is but one God, as Scripture
repeatedly asserts (Deut. 6:4, Isa. 43:10, 1 Tim 2:5).

Notice that he quotes first from the Hebrew Scriptures at Deuteronomy and Isaiah. I wonder how many trinitarian Jews there are?
Unless otherwise stated, all scriptures will be quoted from the RSV.

Having defined the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, it becomes
necessary, secondly, to demonstrate inductively from the Bible
that it is true.

Yes, let's define it first, THEN we will go to the Bible to back it up.

To accomplish this, we begin with one basic premise: If it can be
shown from Scripture that there are three persons, all of whom
are called Jehovah (God), then, since there is only one Jehovah
(Isa. 44:6, 48:12), those three Persons are the one God. Things
equal to the same thing are equal to each other.

I don't know about you, but I am pretty excited:)

Just how it is possible for three to be One and for that One to
be three, will also be explained. But first, the evidence:

1. THE FATHER IS JEHOVAH

Jehovah's Witnesses are quick to agree with the Apostle Peter
that the Father is called Jehovah. Moreover, Peter and many
other Biblical writers identify Him as a "person" (2 Peter
1:17). It is therefore unnecessary to press this point, the
Witnesses having already conceded it.

You see that Mr. Martin has to do this piecemeal. There is no ONE scripture that puts them together in ONE triune godhead.

However, we would point out that the word "person" is, by
definition, descriptive of "ego" or "I." Without "ego," which
distinguishes man from the beast, personality as such would cease
to exist. Any reputable lexicon of Greek dictionary will
substantiate the fact that the Greek word "ego," is the basis for
our English term, "I." Jehovah designates His Being as The Great
I AM (Ex. 3:14): So the Deity is Personal and possesses Ego, the
hallmark of Personality.

Or as the Greek Septuagint Version (the translation that was often quoted by the apostles in the first century C.E.) reads, e·go' ei·mi' ho Ohn', "I am the Being."
The Revised Standard Version(RSV) has in it's margin, "I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE"

2. THE SON IS JEHOVAH

A careful study of the first chapter of Revelation (vs. 11-18)
will show that Jesus Christ, the Son of Man, identifies Himself
as "the first and the last" and "the one who became dead" and who
now lives for all eternity.

It is of no small significance that in verse 13 of the last
chapter of Revelation, He confirms this title with great
emphasis, identifying Himself in verse 16 as "I Jesus," and
declaring that He is "the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and
the end, the first and the last." The context reveals that it is
Jesus speaking (vs. 12), for He - not the Father - is coming
"quickly" (Rev. 1:7; 1 Thess. 4:15,16).

It must never be forgotten that these titles ("the first and the
last," "the Alpha and the Omega'" "the beginning and the end")
belong only to Jehovah God (Isa. 44:6,8; Rev. 1:8, 21:6). But
Jesus Christ claims them as His own, because He, the Son is also
Jehovah!

 Truth: Revelation 21:6, 7 indicates that those who are spiritual conquerors are to be 'sons' of the one known as the Alpha and the Omega. That is never said of the relationship of Christians at that time to Jesus Christ. Jesus spoke of them as his 'brothers.' (Heb. 2:11; Matt. 12:50; 25:40) But those 'brothers' of Jesus are referred to as "sons of God." (Gal. 3:26; 4:6) At Revelation 22:12, (Good News Bible)TEV inserts the name Jesus, so the reference to Alpha and Omega in Re 22:13 is made to appear to apply to him. But the name Jesus does not appear there in Greek, and other translations do not include it. At Revelation 22:13, the Alpha and Omega is also said to be "the first and the last," and this phrase is applied to Jesus at Revelation 1:17, 18. Just like the phrase "apostle" is applied both to Jesus Christ and to some of his followers. But that does not prove that they are the same person or are of equal rank, does it? (Heb. 3:1) So the evidence points to the fact that the title "Alpha and Omega" applies to Almighty God, the Father, not to the Son. If Jesus really was the Alpha and Omega, there would have been no need to spuriously insert his name at Revelation 1:11 like some have done(KJV), and that goes for the TEV in the Revelation 22:13. Maybe the TEV should have read ahead at verse 18 where it says, "I, John, solemnly warn everyone one who hears the prophetic words of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to his punishment the plagues described in this book." TEV
   Just a little side note...if you read Revelation 1:1 that it was an angel that was relaying all this to John. Yes! It was an Angel who actually said spoke and said,"I am the Alpha and Omega". Hmmmm!

We see, then, that there are either two firsts and two lasts (a
hopeless contradiction of terms), or the Son is Jehovah, the one
who was pierced for our sins (Zech. 12:10; Rev. 1:7,11,13) and
who is truly "the fullness of Jehovah in flesh" (Col. 2:9).

Truth: This scripture says nothing of the kind. He has several times already misquoted scripture to suit this erroneous belief. Since I already have my TEV open, it says at Col.2:9, "For the full content of divine nature lives in Christ, in his humanity" Remember, he is the Son of Jehovah according to Martin. How can a son be his own Father?

The angel who showed John the wonder Revelation forbade the
Apostle to worship him, for he was but a created being, a "fellow
servant." Quite properly, he declared, "worship Jehovah," (Rev.
22:9). Yet Jesus Christ, whom Jehovah's Witnesses say is also a
created being (i.e., Michael the Archangel),

Truth: Even John Calvin said he was the Archangel Michael. See:
http://www.ccel.org/c/calvin/comment2/dan9-13.htm

John A. Lees, The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, 1930,
Vol. 3, page 2048 states: >
"The earlier Protestant scholars usually identified Michael
with the preincarnate Christ, finding support for their view,
not only in the juxtaposition of the "child" and the archangel
in Rev 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in Dnl"

commended the
worship of Himself as Jehovah (John 20:28,29). This would have
been a blasphemous act of presumption on His part and a direct
violation of His Father's commandments (Ex. 20:3; Deut. 6:17),
unless He were in some mysterious sense on in Nature and Being
with His Father. In such a case He would in truth be "equal with
God" and entitled to receive worship as Jehovah(John 5:18,23).

Truth: If you read the context of John 20:28,29, you will see that Jesus commended nothing of the sort. In fact, several verses later in v.31 we will see what Jesus commended. "but these are written that you may beleive that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God." We have to remember when Thomas surprisingly exclaimed "My lord and my God" that "God" in biblical times was a very relative term. In Judges 13:20-22 and Psalms 8:5 angels are referred to as "God". In Exodus(which Martin quotes above) 7:1, Moses is referred to as God. In fact, when Jehovah appeared to Moses in the burning bush at Exodus 3, that was really an angel(see v.2).WHY? Because like Jesus, angels are messenger of Jehovah. Judges are also referred to as gods at Psalms 82. Let us not forget that Jesus is referred to also as an "only-begotten God" at John 1:18 (NASB) Jehovah and the Holy Spirit are never referred to as such.

But let's look at John 5:18: "This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath but also called God his Father, making himself equal with God."
It was the unbelieving Jews who said that Jesus was trying to make himself equal with God by claiming God as his Father. While properly referring to God as his Father, Jesus never claimed equality with God. He stated afterward "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing." (John 5:19; see also John 14:28; John 10:36.) It was those unbelieving Jews, too, who claimed that Jesus broke the Sabbath, but they were wrong about that also. Jesus kept the Law perfectly, and he declared: "It is lawful to do good on the sabbath."-Matt. 12:10-12.

Jehovah's Witnesses have always taught that Jesus Christ was no
more than a perfect man, "certainly not the supreme God Almighty
in the flesh."3 They state categorically that He was in no sense
both God and man. "Some insist that Jesus while on earth was
both God and man. This theory is wrong."

Truth: But yet Mr. Martin will use the above scriptures, while Jesus was on earth, to make that very assumption. Do you see how complicated it gets."For God is not a God of confusion" 1Cor.14:33

4 Jehovah's Witnesses
also maintain that our Lord was "the first and direct creation of
Jehovah God," and that prior to His earthly life He was an
angle.5(sic)

In contrast to this teaching, Scripture and the Christian Church
declare the full Deity of Jesus Christ, and His equality with God
the Father.

Truth: Jesus himself called the father,"the only true God."[John 17:3] He called the Father "my God"[John 20:17] He also said,"the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing."[John 5:19] He also said, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone."[Mark 10:19] He also said"Father, if thou art willing, remove this cup from me; nevertheless not my will, but thine be done."[Luke 22:42](I thought Jesus was God???) He also said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!"[Luke 23:46](Is Jesus talking to himself here???) Jesus also said, "But of that day or that hour no one knows...nor the Son, but only the Father."[Mark 13:32](If Jesus is God, why doesn't he know???) He also said, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"[Mark 15:34](Did he forsake himself???)

What else does the Bible say?

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1Timothy 2:5
"the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God." [1Corinthians 11:3]
"Are you not from ancient times Yahweh, my God, my Holy One, who never dies." [Habakkuk 1:12] Jerusalem Bible (Jesus died remember)
"He is the image of the unseen God and the first-born of all creation." Colossians 1:15 Jerusalem Bible
"the beginning of God's creation" Revelation 3:14
"God cannot be tempted with evil" James 1:13 yet Satan did try to tempt Jesus at Matthew 4:4
"God raised him up" Acts 2:24 (Did Jesus raise himself up?)
"Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered." Hebrews 5:8 (God can learn obedience?)
"God exalted him at his right hand" Acts 5:31
"But he, full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God." Acts 7:55 (Why wasn't the Holy Spirit in heaven with the other 2?)
"No one has ever seen God" John 1:18
"He is the image of the invisible God" Col. 1:15
"the king of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God" 1Timothy 1:17
"you cannot see my face; for man shall not see me and live." Exodus 33:20
"No man has ever seen God" IJohn 4:12 (But people have seen Jesus,hence, he cannot be God)

In the first verse of John's Gospel, Christ is revealed as the
eternal Word of God who became flesh (verse 14) - the "image of
God" (2 Corinthians 4:4). Consider the emphasis "in the
beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word
was God" John 1:1).

Note that John 1:1 states that the Word already was in the
beginning - it does not say the Word "became" or "was created" by
God, as Jehovah's Witnesses teach. The Witness incorrectly
translate this text to read "the Word was a god,"6 but their
translation is by both context and grammar an impossibility
according to all recognized authorities on Greek. No recognized
translation bears out their error.

Truth: Lets take a quote from a biblical scholar:
"The Greek phrase is theos en ho logos, which translated word for word is "a god was the word."

Greek has only a definite article, like our the, it does not have an indefeinite article, like our a or an. If a noun is definite, it has
the definite article ho. If a noun is indefinite, no article is used. In the phrase from John 1:1, ho logos is "the word." If it was
written simply logos, without the definite article ho, we would have to translate it as "a word". So we are not really "inserting"
an indefinite article when we translate Greek nouns without the definite article into English, we are simply obeying rules of
English grammar that tell us that we cannot say "Snoopy is dog," but must say "Snoopy is a dog."

Now in English we simply say "God"; we do not say "The God." But in Greek, when you mean to refer to the one supreme
God, instead of one of the many other beings that were called "gods," you would have to say "The God": ho theos. Even a
monotheistic Christian, who beleives there is only one God and no others, would be forced to say in Greek "The God," as John
and Paul and the other writers of the New Testament normally do. If you leave off the article in a phrase like John 1:1, then you
are saying "a god." (There are some exceptions to this rule: Greek has what are called noun cases, which means the nouns
change form depending on how they are used in a sentence. So, if you want to say "of God," which is theou, you don't need
the article. But in the nominative case, which is the one in John 1:1, you have to have the article.)

So what does John mean by saying "the word was a god"? He is classifying Jesus in a specific category of beings. There are
plants and animals and humans and gods, and so on. By calling the Word "a god," John wants to tell his readers that the
Word(which becomes Jesus when it takes flesh) belongs to the divine class of things. Notice the word order: "a god was the
word." We can't say it like this in English, but you can in Greek. The subject can be after the verb and the object before the
verb, the opposite of how we do it in English (subject-verb-object). Research has shown that when ancient Greek writers put a
object-noun first in a sentence like John 1:1 (a be-verb sentence: x is y), without the definite article, they are telling us that the
subject belongs to the class represented by the object-noun: :"The car is a Volkswagen." In English we would accomplish the
same thing by using what we call predicate adjectives. "John is a smart person" = "John is smart." So we would tend to say
"The word was divine," rather than "The word was a god." That is how I would translate this phrase. "The word was a god" is
more literal, and an improvement over "The word was God," but it raises more problems, since to a modern reader it implies
polytheism.

No one in John's day would have understood the phrase to mean "The word was God" - the language does not convey that
sense, and conceptually it is difficult to grasp such an idea, especially since that author has just said that the word was with
God. Someone is not with himself, he is with some other. John clearly differentiates between God from the Word. The latter
becomes flesh and is seen; the former cannot be seen. What is the Word? John says it was the agent through whom God made
the world. He starts his gospel "In the beginning..." to remind us of Genesis 1. How does God create in Genesis? He speaks
words that make things come into existence. So the Word is God's creative power and plan and activity. It is not God himself,
but it is not really totally separate from God either. It occupies a kind of ambiguous status. That is why a monotheist like John
can get away with calling it "a god" or "divine" without becoming a polytheist. This divine thing does not act on its own,
however, does take on a kind of distinct identity, and in becoming flesh brings God's will and plan right down face to face with
humans.
Jason Beduhn

Northern Arizona University
Department of Humanities Arts and Religion

Moreover, the Scriptures proclaim that Christ made "himself equal
with God" (John 5:18),

Truth: No, that was the unbelieving Jews(read the context). It was those unbelieving Jews, too, who claimed that Jesus broke the Sabbath, but they were wrong about that also. Jesus kept the Law perfectly, and he declared: "It is lawful to do good on the sabbath."-Matt. 12:10-12.

and that "in him dwelleth all the fullness
of the Deity bodily" (Colossians 2:9).

Truth: Let's take a look at this carefully. The Good News Bible(TEV) translates it "divine nature", Goodspeed translates it "divine quality" as does Weymouth. Schonfield translates it "divine wisdom". Fact is, the greek "the·o'tes" can mean all these things. What does the context say? Colossians 3:1 says that "Christ is seated at the right hand of God." How can you sit at the right hand of God if you're supposed to be fully God?

The Bible further states
that Christ claimed to be the great I AM (Jehovah) of the Old
Testament (cf. Exodus 3:13-16 with John 8:58),

Truth: So did a beggar in John 9:9. He must be Jehovah too, by this faulty reasoning.

and the Jews
understood Him so clearly during His ministry that they sought to
stone Him to death for blasphemy (John 8:59; cf. 10:28-33).

Truth: Can you follow this reasoning? They also understood him so well that they rejected him as their savior. I'm alot more stupid for just saying that:)

Jehovah's Witnesses pervert these texts and many others in their
determined effort to demote our Lord from His position of God and
Creator (Colossians 1;

Truth: Colossians 1:15,"He is the image of the invisible God; the firstborn of all creation."
"You simply simply cannot find the doctrine of the Trinity set out anywhere in the Bible. St Paul has the highest view of Jesus'
role and person, but nowhere does he call him God. Nor does Jesus himself explicitly claim to be the second person of the
Trinity, wholly egual to his heavenly Father."-For Christ's Sake by Tom Harpur(Anglican Priest).

Hebrews 1); and they compound their error
by translating the Greek of the New Testament, in many places,
contrary to all grammatical authorities.

Truth: As we have already seen...this is a lie.

It is certainly true
that during His earthly life our Lord voluntarily limited Himself
as a man (Philippians 2:6-8),
and thus He never strove to usurp
the prerogatives of Deity; But one does not have to "rob" what is
His by inheritance (Hebrews 1). He was true Deity - "the great
God" (Titus 2:13).

Truth: "As we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ." New American Bible (As you can see, they are different)

We must not forget that Christ humbled Himself, even to the death
of the cross, and therefore, as a man, could say, "My Father is
greater than I" (John 14:28). However, let us remember that
Christ never said, "My Father is better than I." "Better" is a
term of comparison between natures (Heb 1:4), while "greater," as
in the context of John 14, is a term of comparison relative to
positions.

The President of the United States, for instance, is greater in
position than any of his fellow-Americans by virtue of his
office, but he would be the first to insist that he is not better
than other human beings. So Christ was admittedly inferior to
His Father positionally while on earth as a man, but the
Scriptures clearly and unmistakably state that he was at all
times His Father's equal on the spiritual plane of Divine Being
or Nature (Heb. 1:3; John 5:18). Note also that in 1 Corinthians
15:28 it is function that is dealt with - not Deity.

Truth: The President is not part of a Trinity either. The President is not of the same substance as his Father is he?
1John 5:9 it states:"If we recieve the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater." Does that mean that the testimony of God is NOT better than man's. What faulty reasoning.
Hebrews 1:3 states that Jesus sits at God's right hand. Is my right hand man my equal? And where is the Holy spirit in all the visions of heaven. None of them make mention of the person of the holy spirit.(Acts 7:55,56; Revelation 7:10; 22:1,3)
John 5:18 is one of Walter's favourites...it is too bad that he has to rely on unbeleivers to make his point.
"Function" is not even mentioned at 1 Corinthians 15:28;"27-He has put all things in subjection under his feet. But in saying 'all things', it clearly means to EXCLUDE GOD WHO SUBORDINATES THEM; and when ALL THINGS are thus subject to him, then the SON HIMSELF will also be made SUBORDINATE TO GOD who made all things subject to him, and thus God will be all in all. New English Bible

Jehovah's Witnesses always point to Christ's humanity in the
Bible; they carefully omit mention of His claim to full Deity,
and they thus "wrest...the...scriptures, unto their own
destruction" (2 Peter 3:16). the second Person, the Son, is also
called God, then, despite the efforts of the Watchtower to prove
the contrary.

Truth: What is destructive is that Walter Martin wants you to believe that the Son is Jehovah. The Son is Jesus Christ, God's only-begotten Son. John 3:16 In every instance in the Bible, a "son" is separate from his "Father"...and sub-ordinate. We use the BIBLE to interpret scripture, not some Platonic Pagan Trinity.

3. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS JEHOVAH

It is peculiar, to say the least, that Jehovah's Witnesses can
agree with the Apostle Peter when he declared that the Father is
Jehovah - and then contradict his affirmation that the Holy
Spirit is likewise Jehovah, as recorded in Acts 5:3 and 4.

Truth: Again, it says nothing of the kind. See below.

No Christian theologian has ever denied either the Person or
Deity of the Holy Spirit, for the evidence to substantiate both
is abundant in Scripture.

Truth: Well, lets take a look at the Bible then. Jesus is referred to as "theos" 3 times in the NT, and once in the OT. The Holy Spirit is never called "theos." What is the spirit?
Gen. 1:2 "The Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters."
or..."a might wind swept over the waters." New American Bible
Basically speaking, the holy spirit is the breath or power of God. Or as the NWT says, "active force." That is why in Acts 5, if you lie the the Holy Spirit, you are in effect lying to God.

For instance, a thorough study of the
book of Acts, chapter thirteen, reveals that the Holy Spirit is a
Person, because He possesses "ego." Luke records therin that the
Holy Spirit as a Person has "ego" (13:2,4) and, furthermore, that
He (not "it") prophesies to His servants and commissions them, as
well (21:11). See also such verses as John 14:26, 15:26, Acts
8:29, 13:2, and Romans 5:5.

Truth: And absolutely none of these scripture say that the Holy Spirit is God, or the 3rd person of the Trinity. Acts DOES say at verse 2:13 that holy spirit will be poured out on men. Now that sounds more like a power/breath than a person.

The Scriptures are clear that the Holy Spirit has a "will" (1
Cor. 12:11; Heb. 2:4), and since "will" denotes "ego" or
personality, as opposed to the neuter (animals), obviously the
Spirit is a person. We have also seen from Peter's words that
when Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit, he lied to Jehovah (Acts
5:4). Both the thirteenth chapter of Acts and Isaiah 48 add to
the proof that the Holy Spirit is God, since He answers the
prayers of the Apostles (Acts 13:1-4) and is designated Deity by
the prophet Isaiah (48:16). Even the Watchtower admits that God
alone answers prayer.

The Bible, then, does indeed teach that the Spirit is a Person
and that He is called God. It is therefore apparent that there
are three Persons mentioned in Scripture and that they are all
identified as God: Yet there is only one true God (Isa. 45:22).

Truth: Yes, some personality is given the spirit, but then so is "Sin" and "Death" at Romans 5:21. But what about "neuter"? Spirit at john 14:16 is neuter. "SIN" at 1 John 5:16 is feminine...so much for that argument.
Are there 3 persons mentioned in the Scripture as God, but yet there is only One God? I could take that argument another way. Satan is referred to as God at 1 Corinthians 4:4, Moses is referred to as God at Exodus 7:1, Jehovah is God at Psalms 83:18...but there is only One God. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark here. You have to realize that in Bible times, the term "God" was used quite loosely. Judges were gods at Psalms 82, so were angels at Psalms 8:5,6; 97:7; 138:1.

"LORDS MANY AND GODS MANY"

There are two other important points that must be mentioned.

Jehovah's Witnesses claim that, because the Bible designates some
beings and idols as "gods," it is proper for them to call Jesus
"a god" and worship him as the angels did (Heb. 1:6). This is an
important point and must be clarified.

Of course, it is true that God made Moses appear as a god in
Pharoah's eyes (Exodus 7:1). Moreover, Satan, certain of the
judges of Israel and pagan idols are described as "gods" in the
Bible (John 14:30, Psalms 82:6, 1 Cor. 8:4, 10:19, 2 Cor. 4:4).
Nevertheless, they are not deity by nature, as the Apostle Paul
flatly states (Gal. 4:8). They are "gods" by angelic or human
acclamation, and God addresses them in that context. Worshiping
a thing can make it your god; but it is not God by nature - for
by nature there is only one God (1 Cor. 8:4-6, 1 Tim. 2:5).

When this cardinal distinction is made in Scripture, the
Watchtower's doctrine is refuted, and the problem of the usage of
the term "gods" or "a god" disappears.

Truth: Most of the above is true. But it still addresses that the Bible uses the term "God" in a relative sense.
Why does no one worship the Spirit?
Did you know that when Jehovah talked to Moses in the Burning Bush, that was really an Angel. See Exodus 3:2. Why? Because we cannot see God(John 1:18; Exodus 33:20). Why then can people see Jesus? The problem of the usage of the Trinity's "fully God and fully man" disappears.

COMPOSITE UNITY AND THE TRIPLE POINT

The second important fact to be remembered is that of the meaning
of the term "one."

"How is it possible," say the Jehovah's witnesses, "for Jehovah
to be three and one both at the same time? It is illogical,
unreasonable and confusing; and God is not the author of
confusion!"

To answer this all-too-common objection, it should be kept in
mind that the word "one" can denote composite as well as solitary
unity. For instance, in Genesis (chapter 2), Adam and Eve are
called one flesh; and Numbers (chapter 13) speaks of "one" when
the context indicates that is was in reality a cluster of grapes
hanging from one stem. Here are bona fide instances of composite
unity.

Truth: And none of the above is TRIUNE. Adam and Eve and a cluster of grapes are NOT God.

The same Hebrew word, "echod" (one) is used in both cases,
however, even as it is in Deuteronomy 6:4 where we are told that
God is "One." The evident composite unity indicated here is
confirmed in the New Testament. Our Lord spoke of composite
unity where marriage is concerned (Mk. 10:8); so He, too, was
aware of this important distinction. See also Joshua 9:2; Judges
20:1; 2 Chron. 30:12; Isaiah 65:25; Nehemiah 7:66 and Ezra 6:20
for further instances of composite unity.

Truth: None of the above scriptures mention a trinity or triad of any sort. The word ECHOD(One) can be composite, but that is just how the hebrew language is. Even Abraham is referred to as ONE(Echod) at Isaiah 51:2.

Finally, let us illustrate how it is both logically and
rationally possible for three to be one and one to be three
simultaneously, since Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT believe this is
possible.

Truth: I have to hear this...I want to try it at the bank.

It is a well-known fact of chemistry that plain water, when
placed in a vacuum under 230 millimeters of gas pressure and at a
temperature of 0 degrees Centigrade, solidifies into ice at the
bottom of the container, remains liquid in the center and
vaporizes at the top! At a given instant the same water is both
solid, liquid and gas, yet all three are manifestations of the
same basic substance or nature: H2O - hydrogen: two parts;
oxygen: one.

If one of the simplest of all created substances can be three in
manifested form and yet remain one in nature, then the Creator of
that substance can surely be Father, Son and Holy Spirit - three
Persons and one Nature - without any violation of logic or reason
whatever if He so wills.

Truth: There you have it folks. The God of "orthodox" Chrisitianity is........ a drip. Actually, water is mainly Hydrogen and Oxygen."2" In other words, "orthodox" Christianity chooses texts that mention mainly the Father and the Son, and they pass these off as triune. So, in some respects, H2O works in that way. But then, maybe Moses is triune, after all he is referred to as a God, a Prince and a Prophet-all 3 manifestations of the same basic substance.
Also, because the h2o molecules can only be in one form at one time (either liquid, ice, steam), and under the same conditions, the argument is actually Sabellian, not trinitarian. Anyone who supports this theory is actually arguing in favor of a heresy that was long ago condemned.
Did you know that the Pagan world before Christ had its Trinities also?
See http://www.mv.com/ipusers/butterfly/babylon/00index.htm
By mixing Paganism with Chrisitianity, the pure message of God has become ....INSOLUBLE.
Incidentally, Athanasius did the same thing with HOMOOUSIOUS(of the same substance/essence). He used 2 coins to show that they were made of the same stuff(copper), but the problem was still the fact that it was 2 coins
 

God is not triples (1+1+1) - He is triune (1x1x1), and He has
revealed Himself fully in the Person of our Lord, Jesus Christ
(Col. 2:9; John 14:9).

Truth: This is mathematical idiocy. 1x1x1 would mean the Father x the Father x the Father.(Any trinitarian will tell you that the Father is not the Son is not the holy spirit). Whereas, the Father + the Son + the Holy Spirit= 3.
Colossians 2:9 is very ambiguous. Consider this: "for it is in him that the immensity of the Divine Wisdom corporately dwells" Schonfield...see also TEV.
John 14:9? Jesus makes this straight at verse 28 where he say the "Father is greater than I"

Trinitarian christianity is confused by 1500 years of false doctrine. It started with its beginning under the Sun-Worshipping Emperor Constantine in 325 AD. Regarding the Nicene Council and those that followed, Hans Kung/Christianity says, "The conciliar
decisions plunged Chrisitianity into undreamed-of theological confusions with constant entanglements
in church politics. They produced splits and sparked off a persecution of heretics unique in the history
of religion. This is what Christianity became as it changed its nature from a persecuted minority to a
majority persecuting others."

What a Satanic legacy this doctrine has had.

The book, "Knowing the Truth about The Trinity" by Ankerberg and Weldon quote Walter Martin right at the beginning of their preface. But on page 9 it says that the "Trinity is incomprehensible...it is impossible that a finite creature could ever fully comprehend an infinite being."
Yet at John 17:3 it says, "And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." If eternal life depends on our understanding of God, but our God is an incomprehensible Trinity, then we are all in trouble. But I can sit down with my son and say, "Son, I love you. You are my son, and I am your Father. Now you understand God the Father, and his relationship with Jesus Christ his Son." See John 17:3



Heinz Schmitz
September 1 1999
Updated November 13 1999
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